Draw-in and Die-In Protest [South E&C roundabout]

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Wednesday 21 May 2014 9.26am
Draw-in and Die-In Protest

https://www.facebook.com/events/246342555567982/
(Apologies couldn't see this posted already, copy/pasta below)

When: (Today) Wednesday 21st May, 5.30pm - 6.30pm

Where: Elephant & Castle, on the pavement in front of the Strata SE1 building at the southern end of the E&C interchange.

What: Direct Action Draw-In and Die-In

There are now over 300 cyclists and pedestrians confirmed for our protest tomorrow and the weather is expected to be dry!
Provisional time-table:
5.30 - 6.pm Draw-In. Protestors invited to colour in the cycle route with chalk in whatever way they feel moved to - whether images or messages. The mood for this will be respectful and quiet, reflecting upon the tragic accident last week.
6.00 Rally Welcomes & special message to the protest from Thames Street victim Bart Chan.
6.15 pm Die-In.
6.25 pm Concluding speech
Bring something soft for lying on the ground, we have a lot of chalk but if you have some please bring it.
A big thanks to everyone who has helped out or promoted this (online and everyone who has been out flyering too).
See you guys tomorrow - fingers crossed we pull it off and deliver a mega-message demanding emergency by-passes at the Elephant and thousands of junctions across London.
Thanks
Fred, Donnachadh & Steve
Wednesday 21 May 2014 8.49pm
Thanks Damien,
I was there. A very dignified and 'to the point protest'. No disruption, and quite good media coverage.
Why, why, could TFL not have put segregated cycle lanes in at L turns? Soooo much room! Corporate manslaughter in my view.
Wednesday 21 May 2014 9.08pm
The pictures of the event on the Evening Standard are thought-provoking and make the point very effectively.
Wednesday 21 May 2014 9.15pm
I took this from Draper House:
Wednesday 21 May 2014 10.45pm
I'm only an occasional cyclist but why the dislike of the shared space? As a frequent pedestrian on that corner I'd be fearful that a cycle lane like the one chalked in would be taken at inappropriate speeds,
K9
Thursday 22 May 2014 7.39am
The answer lies within your question. Why are we concerned about a cyclist traveling at an inappropriate speed in this area, when cars are speeding by at 45MPH? Because whereas cars and pedestrians are separated, with shared space a cyclist might frighten/hit a pedestrian. This is bad for cyclists because it slows them down and makes the area an obstacle course. It's bad for pedestrians because they are moving at a walking pace and have to be conscious of their exact location or they are in danger of being hit.

Basically, absent segregation, you get "might makes right." This is no good for anyone, and it's no way to encourage cycling. Here's a fuller explanation of the problems with "shared space":

http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2014/04/shared-space-revisited-hype-continues.html?m=1

There is lots of room (LOTS) for a segregated cycle lane at the left hand turns of this junction. There is no reason not to have them. Ideally it wouldn't go straight through like it was drawn, but would hug the kerb and be segregated from traffic. The alternative to the road needs to be attractive to cyclists so they will use it.
Thursday 22 May 2014 1.38pm
Great post K9 and fascinating article you linked to http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2014/04/shared-space-revisited-hype-continues.html?m=1

There are plenty of influential people and campaigners in London obsessed with shared space. The Elephant now and proposed will suffer from this misapplied trend.

Key proponents:

TfL's Ben Plowden. I shared a podium with him a few years ago at a RIBA event on radicals in public space. He was positioned as radical because of his passion for shared space everywhere - removing segregation of all kinds for all users. His hatred for guard rails contributed to a boys death on St George's Road, his love of shared space piazzas (including an unmarked 'cycle link' will contribute to congestion, risk taking, accidents and air pollution at the E&C if the plan goes ahead for the northern junction.

Jeremy Leach of Southwark's local division of the national Living Streets charity (were any of their core members there yesterday at the Die In?). He dreams of turning Walworth into Renaissance Italy, or at least Georgian London and pursues projects to achieve this unrealistic end in the 21st century - the industrial revolution happened, it's not going away anytime soon. His many hats in the area give him significant clout with politicians as a supposedly representative spokesperson, so much so that Ben Plowden even quotes him back to me.

It's important the nature of the politics behind the design of our public space is debated, particularly on election day.
Thursday 22 May 2014 3.30pm
"It's important the nature of the politics behind the design of our public space is debated, particularly on election day."

Is it not the "European shared space scheme"?

From wiki...



Prior to the adoption of the term, street design projects carried out in Chambéry, France, by Michel Deronzier from the 1980 used the term "pedestrian priority".

The term was used by Tim Pharoah to describe informal street layouts with no traffic demarcation (for example "Traffic Calming Guidelines", Devon County Council, 1991).

It was more widely applied, especially by Ben Hamilton-Baillie, since the preparation of a European co-operation project in 2003.[1] The European Shared Space project (part of the Interreg IIIB-North Sea programme) developed new policies and methods for the design of public spaces with streets between 2004 and 2008 under the leadership of Hans Monderman until his death in 2008.[2]

A review of the evolution of the shared space concepts (2014) is offered in Transport Reviews: A Transnational Transdisciplinary Journal.[3]

and if so, is there any point in complaining to your councillor?
Thursday 22 May 2014 3.55pm
In the context of providing for safe, convenient cycling (where this thread started) then shared space is definitely not the answer! People should campaign against it, as it just causes friction between cyclists and pedestrians.

ok.. Shared space may have a role elsewhere (residential streets, shopping areas etc) in making streets more pleasant and still working acceptably - but come on, not at Elephant and Castle!
Thursday 22 May 2014 4.03pm
Boroughonian - today we vote locally and in Europe. Your point makes the case that the issue of Shared Space is relevant at both political levels. There's every point complaining to your councillor about street design. Whatever your views are about our involvement in Europe I can assure you decisions about how they are designed are still mostly pretty local. TfL quote their policy documents, occasionally a Department of Transport one, as well as Southwark Strategic Planning Documents. Europe's lack of impact on public space beyond being mostly inspirational - whether that's Richard Rogers and his piazzas or Ben Plowden and his naked streets (his 'radical' RIBA presentation was almost entirely full of continental examples) is perhaps one reason why so many cyclists call for us to "go Dutch"?
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