Kory wrote:We been to council complaints before many times and anti social behaviour, they dont do nothing. So we just ignore him now. the anti social lady even came round our flat once as well. she said there not much can be done, everything in this life is useless....nothing is done and nothing works. At least he knows we dont wanna know now. they would suggest us moving before him moving because of his disability.So dreadful- but the social landlord has a responsibility and if they are aware of the situ as you suggest- they have to do something about- try the CEO of the council- you can also get help from victim support on who is best to help you. You have a right to live peacefully in your home and if the land lord fails to take action then they can be prosecuted.
happy_cat wrote:I empathise with you entirely.
In Nov 2015 the neighbour directly below me (council tenant) sent me (leaseholder) an email making libelous and spurious allegations about me and my character, calling me a nasty person and complaining i was deliberately making noises when she was in. She also detailed my sexuality within the correspondence (i am a gay male). I forwarded the correspondence to the council to say that she was harassing me and that her allegations were entirely false. A week later she printed out the email, attached a profile picture of me (that she found on the internet), along with my name (!) and address (!!) and delivered this to all the people in my block!!!. In addition to this, she started screaming and shouting at me in the street whenever she saw me. I immediately called the police and reported her for harassment. They visited her to give her a harassment warning and she made an allegation of assault against the policewoman from the Chaucer Safer Neighbourhood team (!!). The council naturally had to investigate her complaint and appointed Crime Concern UK as independent witnesses who confirmed that there was nothing other than normal domestic noise from my property and that her allegations were unfounded. The case was closed.
Since then she has continually verbally attacked me in the street whenever she has seen me and calls me disgusting. The council have given her two written warnings to say that she is in breach of the terms of the tenancy. However, they could not take any further action at that point, despite the warnings, as they identified mental health issues (she started saying that i was breaking into her flat and stealing things and filming her- to be honest i feel this is a card she is playing, but the police and council do suspect she is suffering from paranoid delusions). She refused to have any help from the council so they were stuck in the long process of engaging mental health services.
Basically the council cant do anything until she has a psychological assessment and if she is refusing to do this their hands are tied until she becomes a danger to herself or others. Therefore, after experiencing continued harassment and verbal abuse, I decided that i had to take matters into my own hands and pursue with the police to get things moving along. They can carry out an assessment if she is arrested or if one is ordered by the courts. I tried to press charges for Malicious Communication but the case was discontinued by the CPS - they cited a charge of False Communication and that she didn't know what she was writing was false. I believe the police made a mistake with the charge and I have appealed against this decision (I am waiting to hear back). If i can get the case heard in court, I think the whole process will be sped up and she will either be sectioned or given the conditions associated with a conviction - which will ultimately provide grounds for an eviction)
As the case was dropped, my neighbour has perceived immunity to continue her harassment and has called the police to my property two (now 3 in total) occasions falsely reporting my for anti-social behaviour. Finally, in the absence of a court order, the police have now realised they can raise a MERLIN report, which identifies vulnerable people in the community, and a SLAM (South London and Maudsley) team recently visited to attempt to carry out a voluntary assessment. She was home but didn't answer the door so they left. My neighbour then called the Stalker hotline to say that the police were harassing her (!!). Long story short, and good thing is, the SLAM team have now petitioned a warrant for a forced assessment, but this can take 4-8 weeks (unless she tries to harm me or herself in the meantime!). I am now waiting for this to happen and trying to avoid her or film any further attacks should i need to pursue a criminal case of Harassment.
At the end of the day, i have been living with her attacks for nearly 10 months now. The council should have coordinated these agencies to protect me from their tenant who is breach and allowed me the quiet enjoyment of my property. If it wasn't for me taking control, i dread to think how long it would take to stop this nightmare!
If the psychological assessment deem her as in sound mind, then i think i still need an anti-social behaviour order to be breached before they have grounds to take possession of the property and evict her. If she is deemed mad, she will be sectioned and then, i'm hoping, the council will then have to move her into some kind of assisted housing (perhaps this is what you should be asking for your neighbour??).
It's such a long and frustrating process and I feel like I am the one fighting, what should be, their battle. I am learning as I go but I have learnt, primarily, that YOU need to be the one pressing for action. For instance, I have visited my local councilor to complain about my situation and ensured that they are the ones holding the council to account for their actions - and their failings. I would recommend that you do the same as that is what they are there for.
Good luck with your bad neighbour. Here's hoping for a resolution for us both!
happy_cat wrote:I empathise with you entirely.
In Nov 2015 the neighbour directly below me (council tenant) sent me (leaseholder) an email making libelous and spurious allegations about me and my character, calling me a nasty person and complaining i was deliberately making noises when she was in. She also detailed my sexuality within the correspondence (i am a gay male). I forwarded the correspondence to the council to say that she was harassing me and that her allegations were entirely false. A week later she printed out the email, attached a profile picture of me (that she found on the internet), along with my name (!) and address (!!) and delivered this to all the people in my block!!!. In addition to this, she started screaming and shouting at me in the street whenever she saw me. I immediately called the police and reported her for harassment. They visited her to give her a harassment warning and she made an allegation of assault against the policewoman from the Chaucer Safer Neighbourhood team (!!). The council naturally had to investigate her complaint and appointed Crime Concern UK as independent witnesses who confirmed that there was nothing other than normal domestic noise from my property and that her allegations were unfounded. The case was closed.
Since then she has continually verbally attacked me in the street whenever she has seen me and calls me disgusting. The council have given her two written warnings to say that she is in breach of the terms of the tenancy. However, they could not take any further action at that point, despite the warnings, as they identified mental health issues (she started saying that i was breaking into her flat and stealing things and filming her- to be honest i feel this is a card she is playing, but the police and council do suspect she is suffering from paranoid delusions). She refused to have any help from the council so they were stuck in the long process of engaging mental health services.
Basically the council cant do anything until she has a psychological assessment and if she is refusing to do this their hands are tied until she becomes a danger to herself or others. Therefore, after experiencing continued harassment and verbal abuse, I decided that i had to take matters into my own hands and pursue with the police to get things moving along. They can carry out an assessment if she is arrested or if one is ordered by the courts. I tried to press charges for Malicious Communication but the case was discontinued by the CPS - they cited a charge of False Communication and that she didn't know what she was writing was false. I believe the police made a mistake with the charge and I have appealed against this decision (I am waiting to hear back). If i can get the case heard in court, I think the whole process will be sped up and she will either be sectioned or given the conditions associated with a conviction - which will ultimately provide grounds for an eviction)
As the case was dropped, my neighbour has perceived immunity to continue her harassment and has called the police to my property two (now 3 in total) occasions falsely reporting my for anti-social behaviour. Finally, in the absence of a court order, the police have now realised they can raise a MERLIN report, which identifies vulnerable people in the community, and a SLAM (South London and Maudsley) team recently visited to attempt to carry out a voluntary assessment. She was home but didn't answer the door so they left. My neighbour then called the Stalker hotline to say that the police were harassing her (!!). Long story short, and good thing is, the SLAM team have now petitioned a warrant for a forced assessment, but this can take 4-8 weeks (unless she tries to harm me or herself in the meantime!). I am now waiting for this to happen and trying to avoid her or film any further attacks should i need to pursue a criminal case of Harassment.
At the end of the day, i have been living with her attacks for nearly 10 months now. The council should have coordinated these agencies to protect me from their tenant who is breach and allowed me the quiet enjoyment of my property. If it wasn't for me taking control, i dread to think how long it would take to stop this nightmare!
If the psychological assessment deem her as in sound mind, then i think i still need an anti-social behaviour order to be breached before they have grounds to take possession of the property and evict her. If she is deemed mad, she will be sectioned and then, i'm hoping, the council will then have to move her into some kind of assisted housing (perhaps this is what you should be asking for your neighbour??).
It's such a long and frustrating process and I feel like I am the one fighting, what should be, their battle. I am learning as I go but I have learnt, primarily, that YOU need to be the one pressing for action. For instance, I have visited my local councilor to complain about my situation and ensured that they are the ones holding the council to account for their actions - and their failings. I would recommend that you do the same as that is what they are there for.
Good luck with your bad neighbour. Here's hoping for a resolution for us both!
Ladywriter1968 wrote:Sounds like yours is much worse then mine, since the last incident he has backed right off now and does his thing and we do ours. He recently upset the people opposite and they now have a court order against him they told me. We live in a small block of four people, so you can imagine how hard it is at times to avoid him, his door we have to pass to get to the main entrance door so he knows all the time who is going in and out, even sometimes leaves his front door open all day so he can watch everyone. We are on the first floor and have a neighbour living below elderly lady who is ok, and he lives next door to her, she tollerates him, and next door to us is a couple with mental health issues also, but they keep to themselves mainly accept when they drop stuff on stairs they dont clean it up. the problem is when someone has mental health issues everything seems to be on their side all the time. He says he wants to be treated equally but when there is a problem he will then bring up mental health as a way out of it. Yet kicks up a stink if not treated equally. What does he want... but the lady you are stuck with sounds much worse then my one really. It sounds like you got it all the time, he has backed off from us now as think he got the message after the last time, he has since tried to speak to me again but I am not having any of it. His parents live less then a minute away in a house around the corner and think his Mother is his carer, so he has everything he needs. His parents are just as bad and wont address his problems or his mental health issues and tend to join in with him when issues come up. They try to make it look like its everyone else picking on their son. Other residents dont want to get involved as they live in the other blocks so not really affected. I think some people around here are even scared of him as well so they either try to avoid or go along with him. We are not and he knows this, but he tries it on with those who he thinks are... I think as long as he keep away its fine... could do without the nosing of him though every time go in and out building. You can hear him breathing behind his door looking through the spyhole as well.happy_cat wrote:I empathise with you entirely.
In Nov 2015 the neighbour directly below me (council tenant) sent me (leaseholder) an email making libelous and spurious allegations about me and my character, calling me a nasty person and complaining i was deliberately making noises when she was in. She also detailed my sexuality within the correspondence (i am a gay male). I forwarded the correspondence to the council to say that she was harassing me and that her allegations were entirely false. A week later she printed out the email, attached a profile picture of me (that she found on the internet), along with my name (!) and address (!!) and delivered this to all the people in my block!!!. In addition to this, she started screaming and shouting at me in the street whenever she saw me. I immediately called the police and reported her for harassment. They visited her to give her a harassment warning and she made an allegation of assault against the policewoman from the Chaucer Safer Neighbourhood team (!!). The council naturally had to investigate her complaint and appointed Crime Concern UK as independent witnesses who confirmed that there was nothing other than normal domestic noise from my property and that her allegations were unfounded. The case was closed.
Since then she has continually verbally attacked me in the street whenever she has seen me and calls me disgusting. The council have given her two written warnings to say that she is in breach of the terms of the tenancy. However, they could not take any further action at that point, despite the warnings, as they identified mental health issues (she started saying that i was breaking into her flat and stealing things and filming her- to be honest i feel this is a card she is playing, but the police and council do suspect she is suffering from paranoid delusions). She refused to have any help from the council so they were stuck in the long process of engaging mental health services.
Basically the council cant do anything until she has a psychological assessment and if she is refusing to do this their hands are tied until she becomes a danger to herself or others. Therefore, after experiencing continued harassment and verbal abuse, I decided that i had to take matters into my own hands and pursue with the police to get things moving along. They can carry out an assessment if she is arrested or if one is ordered by the courts. I tried to press charges for Malicious Communication but the case was discontinued by the CPS - they cited a charge of False Communication and that she didn't know what she was writing was false. I believe the police made a mistake with the charge and I have appealed against this decision (I am waiting to hear back). If i can get the case heard in court, I think the whole process will be sped up and she will either be sectioned or given the conditions associated with a conviction - which will ultimately provide grounds for an eviction)
As the case was dropped, my neighbour has perceived immunity to continue her harassment and has called the police to my property two (now 3 in total) occasions falsely reporting my for anti-social behaviour. Finally, in the absence of a court order, the police have now realised they can raise a MERLIN report, which identifies vulnerable people in the community, and a SLAM (South London and Maudsley) team recently visited to attempt to carry out a voluntary assessment. She was home but didn't answer the door so they left. My neighbour then called the Stalker hotline to say that the police were harassing her (!!). Long story short, and good thing is, the SLAM team have now petitioned a warrant for a forced assessment, but this can take 4-8 weeks (unless she tries to harm me or herself in the meantime!). I am now waiting for this to happen and trying to avoid her or film any further attacks should i need to pursue a criminal case of Harassment.
At the end of the day, i have been living with her attacks for nearly 10 months now. The council should have coordinated these agencies to protect me from their tenant who is breach and allowed me the quiet enjoyment of my property. If it wasn't for me taking control, i dread to think how long it would take to stop this nightmare!
If the psychological assessment deem her as in sound mind, then i think i still need an anti-social behaviour order to be breached before they have grounds to take possession of the property and evict her. If she is deemed mad, she will be sectioned and then, i'm hoping, the council will then have to move her into some kind of assisted housing (perhaps this is what you should be asking for your neighbour??).
It's such a long and frustrating process and I feel like I am the one fighting, what should be, their battle. I am learning as I go but I have learnt, primarily, that YOU need to be the one pressing for action. For instance, I have visited my local councilor to complain about my situation and ensured that they are the ones holding the council to account for their actions - and their failings. I would recommend that you do the same as that is what they are there for.
Good luck with your bad neighbour. Here's hoping for a resolution for us both!
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