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Friday 21 November 2003 11.42am
I have just been alerted to the current Thameslink 2000 consultation (yet another one...) at Blackfriars and London Bridge stations.

There's one at the southern end of Blackfriars Bridge today (Friday), and it's at London Bridge next week.
Friday 21 November 2003 1.30pm
2000?? isn't it only 3 yrs late?

(probably a record for punctuality)

...if you press it, they will come.
Friday 21 November 2003 2.03pm
Not only three years late, but if you look at the picture of London Bridge station in their pdf document, 'The Shard' does not appear. Are these people working togther on a unified plan or is that just too obvious an idea?

PS I won't be able to get to the exhibition so would be grateful if somebody could post their comments here afterwards - thanks

PPS Although I welcomed London Bridge Tower and the station desparatley needs refurbishing, it would be criminal if they ruin Borough Market in the process - back to the unified plan I think!Ivanhoe wrote:

> 2000?? isn't it only 3 yrs late?
> (probably a record for punctuality)
Thursday 27 November 2003 5.51pm
Well I went to see the presentation - it in a little van on the north approach road to the concourse. I think its on from 12-7.00 both today (Thursday) and Friday.

They only have the London Bridge graphics on display - you have to ask for the plans for the Blackfriars station which will have a south bank entrance.

I wasn't clear what the purpose of the presentation at London Bridge was, given that Southwark have given the "Masterplan" scheme planning consent. Looking at Network Rail's website, I discover that:

"main objectives of this part of the consultation process is (a) to ensure that the policy of “no surprises” is adhered to, and (b) to ensure that potential opposition to consent applications
because of lack of information is avoided. Some negotiation or re-negotiation of formal undertakings and agreements may also be required."

In this context, it's interesting to note that the graphics are cleverly chosen so that you don't see the full extent of the ten storey office block that will straddle the station.

I think that the potential improvements to circulation would justify loss of the Victorian train shed over platforms 9-16, but only if we get a building of real quality.
However, I don't think there are any conditions attached to the planning consent to ensure that the project is carried out in accordance with the designs of the original architectural team from Wilkinson Eyre rather than being dumbed down to save costs.

Surprise, surpise, there is still no indication of how the "Masterplan" will link to the London Bridge Tower proposals - the plans all show the current layout of Southwark Towers. The scheme includes a new supermarket at street level on St Thomas Street, and retailing along an extended set of vaults between the tube and the new North South main entrance concourse that would run from Tooley Street (opposite More London) to St Thomas Street (opposite the back of Thomas Guy House). The recently installed escalators from the tube into the current station concourse would go, and the demolished vaults would be reinstated to the whole of their original length!

Timetable for the rest of the project is at

Friday 28 November 2003 12.04pm
Is Borough Market now safe from those clowns? Assume it is due to regeneration...
Friday 28 November 2003 3.09pm
The market stays, although the viaduct gets widened. This all got approved at the inquiry. What didn't get approved were the designs of replacements for the adjoining buildings that get demolished for the structure of the viaduct. From the website, a planning application goes to Southwark for these in the new year. No one volunteered any drawings of the Borough Market/High St when I went to the London Bridge display on Wednesday. Possibly worth asking if anyone visits today - open 'til 7.00.
Friday 28 November 2003 3.18pm
It's not totally up-to-date, but see for some of the background on the Borough Market aspect of the scheme

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